In the second part of the conversation, lawyer António Garcia Pereira recalls the cases he is most proud of having won in court and then takes a journey back in time to some of the moments that marked him, such as when he saw a colleague murdered in front of him by a Pide agent at the university, or how he experienced the 25th of April and escaped a burst of machine-gun fire from a window, which hit a young girl he tried to save by dragging her under a vehicle.